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Cytat:

Cóż 10 sztuk obszaru 10 x 10 cm za 10 USD to chwyt marketingowy

krzysssztof napisał:

Chwyt marketingowy? W takim razie spróbuj zamówić w Polsce 10 płytek, nawet bardzo małych, ale z soldermaskę i opisem za 40zł

Cytat:

Ja
I would ask you to confirm this PCB: can be multiplied x8 on standard 100x100mm panel to get price: 5$ + shipping follow your calculation online:then 10 x 8 PCB per panel, means 80 PCB 40x25mm final price is 5$ divided by 80 PCB of PCB, so single PCB 40x25 mm price is 0,0625 USD (plus shipping). And final order cost (80 PCB 25mm x 40 mm) is 5$ + shipping cost. Correct?

PCBWay:
No, it is not correct.

Ja
If I send you Gerber data including area multiplied 8 times, then you need to proceed as common single PCB 100x100mm. There are no any reasons not to produce 10 PCS of 100x100 single pcb's (even if some area of PCB is multiplied 8 times). It's easy to imagine one single device (one PCB) including eight separated functional blocks.

PCBWay:
If you want to have 8pcs 40x25mm boards panelized in one PCB, Then the size for one panel is about 86x106mm(exceed 100x100mm).

Ja
Then I need to change from 40x25mm to 40x24 mmor 40x23

PCBWay:
Besides, minimum order qty for panelized boards is 5 panels. Then you have total 5x8 panels, saying 40pcs.

Ja
OK. 5 panels is no any issue. But I would like to get 10 PCB's (panel's 5x8) means 80 PCB's in price 5$ + shipping. No any PCB separation is needed to avoid any additional cost. (final price 5$ + shipping)

PCBWay:
Kindly note 5 dollars for 10pcs is for single boards. Although, you do not need separation but we still consider it as panelized boards. Please kindly understand.

Ja
It's easy to imagine one single device (one PCB) including eight separated functional blocks.Then these 8 separate blocks is one single PCB (mounted inside machine, computer or some other device. Please imagine edge connector on that 100x100 board, and every of functional blocks is connected into one pad of the edge connector. Let's say its an PCB-Express card int PC computer.

PCBWay:
I see. If every customer think the same and do the same that you want to do. You can image the cost and energy that we input. Kindly understand.

Ja
But if this is really PCB express card including 8 multiplied blocks? Im according to your requirements (PCB less than 100x100mm). So there is no any reason to refuse such order. You are smart and clever. Engeneers too.
So. I'm going to order PCI Express card (please understand). It's even a bit smaller than 100x100 so this is not a worse perspective for PCBway.

PCBWay:
Hi dear, as i said before, 5 dollars is for single boards. Though you have only one design in one panel, it is also panelized boards not a single board.

Ja
Fine. As it was said this is one single PCI Express Card. So 5$ for 10 pcs of these single PCI Express card. And no reasons to refuse...

atom1477 napisał:

Bo w tej dyskusji co zamieściłeś chodziło o 80 płytek.
O to samo chodziło w wypowiedzi rosaka:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3334243.html#16435842
Nic dziwnego że wtedy cena wzrasta bo oni chcą to ciąć na niezależne płytki.
Trzeba odpowiednio zadać pytanie. Od razu napisać że chodzi o pojedyncze płytki 10x10cm, z projektem dostarczonym jako jeden gerber 10x10cm. I że to co będzie wewnątrz nie ma być rozcinane. I wtedy trzeba zobaczyć jaka będzie odpowiedz.
Ktoś już próbował, i wyszło że tak się da bez wzrostu ceny.

Piotrus_999 napisał:

rosak napisał:
Nie musisz też pytać o wycenę, ja poprostu puściłem gerbery
To co pokazałeś jest źle spanelizowane frez nie na jak wjechać aby zrobić ładne zaokrądlenia.

Z każdej strony musza być "wolne" kawałki płyki aby frez mógł poprawnie zaparkować.

Cytat:

Nie rozumiem jak rozumieć @rosaka "i wycinasz płytki samemu."

Cytat:

The V-cut line must cross the whole panel or else the factory can't add a V-groove on the PCB because the milling cutter may destroy any sub-PCBs on the V-cut line. They also cannot stop part way across the panel. The V-cut lines shown below are not acceptable.

Different Design in Panel

Some customers would like to merge more than 1 PCB in the same gerber. We know you want to save money but this may make it hard to cut the board outline and more importantly this will take a lot more time to pick up and package the PCB. Although by ,doing this, you just have the one order, this complicates the fabrication of the panel and separation of the individual PCBs, so we will usually charge more for this. Similarly, using holes or slots as breakoff sections between boards are treated the same way as putting more than one design on a panel, each with its' own board outline.

Note: This additional charge only applies if the PCBs on a panel are different. Boards such as in the left hand image below will not incur an additional charge because they are easy to pick up but boards such as in the right hand image would incur an additional charge.

If you are just in the prototype phase and want to save money, then you can use the following trick. Place your different designs all inside one overall board outline and use lines drawn in the silk layer to mark out the separate the PCBs. Then, when you receive the PCB, carefully cut them apart yourself (we recommend you do this before you assemble the PCBs!). Like the PCB shown below, the yellow lines are drawn in the silk layers showing how you can merge 3 different PCBs in one gerber without incurring any extra costs.

atom1477 napisał:

To sugeruje że rozcięcie wewnątrz panelu też ma być wykonane przez firmę a nie przez zamawiającego samemu.

atom1477 napisał:

Ja myślę że ta Bella na początku źle zrozumiała a potem nie wiedziała o to chodzi.
Pytanie czy warstwa opisu dużo kosztuje?
Bo jak nie to ja bym dał lipny opis z elementami przechodzącymi pomiędzy płytkami.

Piotrus_999 napisał:

Ale uważam że próbowanie przepchnięcia w tym dodatkowych cięć za delikatnie rzecz ujmując przegięcie

Piotrus_999 napisał:

Ale i tak ją obraziłeś i postawiłeś siebie w złym świetle (straciłeś twarz). Ludzie wschodu są wrażliwi na tym punkcie. Japonczycy potrafia odmówic podpisania kontraktu z takiego powodu. Azja to nie Polska, nic nie powiedzą, ale już w najlepszym razie nie będa pomocni.